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lousydrunk
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posted March 14, 2001 01:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lousydrunk   Click Here to Email lousydrunk     Edit/Delete Message
I don't have a Bruckner's 8th Symphony. I have everything but the 8th. I'm getting my collection all sorted out, no more unorganized crap laying around on the floor for this lousydrunk!

If I should buy a Bruckner 8th, which one should I buy?

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jpgordo
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posted March 15, 2001 08:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jpgordo   Click Here to Email jpgordo     Edit/Delete Message
I have the Furtwangler with the Vienna Philharmonic. But it's a live recording from the late 40s (I think) so the sound quality isn't very good. He was considered one of the top Bruckner interpreters but you may want to go with someone a little more contemporary that takes advantage of modern recording advancements.

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opus_125
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posted March 27, 2001 03:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for opus_125   Click Here to Email opus_125     Edit/Delete Message
The 8th I have is of Pierre Boulez conducting the Vienna Philharmonic from last summer (I believe). It sounds like a crazy combination, but Boulez does a great job, just like he did with his Mahler set.

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opus_125
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posted April 03, 2001 05:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for opus_125   Click Here to Email opus_125     Edit/Delete Message
I had to listen to it again after my last post - and thankfully, I still feel the same way. An excellent performance. I forgot that it was a live performance. Great disc!

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fred
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posted April 04, 2001 03:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fred   Click Here to Email fred     Edit/Delete Message
I heard his testicles didn't drop and that meant he could never have sex or an orgasm and so his orgasms were his symphonies. Any truth to that? And this little fun fact is the full extent of my classical music knowledge.

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JohnDexter
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posted April 04, 2001 03:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JohnDexter   Click Here to Email JohnDexter     Edit/Delete Message
I have NEVER heard that. Interesting theory though.

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Horowitz
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posted April 09, 2001 10:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Horowitz   Click Here to Email Horowitz     Edit/Delete Message
Don't know why, but I've never been a fan of the 8th. I like Bruckner for what it's worth, but I'm more partial to the 4th. The testicle thing is total folklore, scholars wish it were true for some reason. I just don't think he dated much, that's all.

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opus_125
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posted May 23, 2001 12:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for opus_125   Click Here to Email opus_125     Edit/Delete Message
Oh, I'm sure he dated. Didn't the girls realize he was "Bruckner"?

Haitink's 0-9 Bruckner symphonies analog recordings is supposedly a terrific cycle. I haven't seen them anywhere. Amazon or Barnes & Noble don't have that collection. I may have to venture into the old record shops or eBay to track them down. If I can get that ambitious over a Bruckner cycle. Of course I can. It's Bruckner.

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rooskyred
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posted June 05, 2001 11:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rooskyred   Click Here to Email rooskyred     Edit/Delete Message
Hey, what's the deal? Why does he have a Symphony #0?

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EmilySachs
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posted June 07, 2001 11:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmilySachs   Click Here to Email EmilySachs     Edit/Delete Message
The reason for the Symphony 0 is that Bruckner wrote the work in between Symphony's 1 and 2 and actually wrote the word "Nullte" (sp) on the manuscript specifying that it would not be published during his lifetime. It was discovered after his death in a trunk on his estate and given the Syphony #0 term.

In other Emily "Bruckner" news. I just purchased the Bruckner #8 on DVD with Zubin Mehta conducting the Isreal Philharmonic.
It has an excellent sound quality from a most excellent performance(1987).

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posted June 11, 2001 03:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Filmore   Click Here to Email Filmore     Edit/Delete Message
Symphony 1.5 would have been more appropriate. Even though Bruckner wasn't proud of it, it does have some fabulous passages. Maybe the "Nullte" notation carrying over into recordings allow Bruckner to save face on something he wasn't happy with. This way scholars and music lovers can still hear this work without Bruckner officially having put it forward for criticism.

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MarkSerkin
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posted June 21, 2001 09:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MarkSerkin   Click Here to Email MarkSerkin     Edit/Delete Message
There is a very nice biography on Bruckner called: "Bruckner" by Derek Watson. It's one of the few books about Bruckner out there. I believe it is out of print but can be found at one of the many online second hand bookstores. Derek Watson is a music critic really seems to understand Bruckner. It's worth the read for all Brucknerites out there.

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posted August 18, 2001 04:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for a   Click Here to Email a     Edit/Delete Message
I decided to buy the EMI complete Bruckner symphony box set. The main reason was the Staatskapelle Dresden. Nothing can quite match the pleasure of hearing this orchestra play the great works of German Romanticism. And, as it turns out, this set is so fabulous, I recommend it over the DG box. The sound is slightly superior, and Jochum gives us a more successful one disc treatment of the Eighth. It's a work that fares better when spread out over two discs, because the shorter format requires a number of cuts and increased tempos. So if you don't own Karajan's great live version of the Eighth with the Vienna Philharmonic, you might want to pick that one up as well. Then there is Klemperer's Sixth-- no other conductor nailed that symphony quite like old Klemp. And Bohm's Fourth with the VPO is a "must buy" among Bruckner lovers. With that said, Jochum is the unchallenged King of Brucknerians, and I've always found his survey of the Nine more engaging than Karajan's or Barenboim's (though don't miss out on Barenboim's Ninth with the Berlin Philharmonic). Jochum is never boring-- and that's a plus when it comes to seventy minute symphonies! He changes tempos and brings out little details here and there that we miss in other interpretations, all the while keeping a steady grip on the overall structure and flow. So the climaxes gradually build up with beauty and purpose, then explode in a way that is physically exciting yet deeply spiritual. "Spirituality" is, after all, the key word in Bruckner, and Jochum seems to have the inside track on that quality. So, no matter how many individual discs of Bruckner you own, this complete set is the one to get if you want to hear a consistently satisfying overview of these unique works.

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posted August 23, 2001 01:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CharlieFenwick   Click Here to Email CharlieFenwick     Edit/Delete Message
Among my myriad classical recordings, there is none that I would place alongside Karajan's interpretation of Bruckner's 8th. To a symphony I regard as the greatest aesthetic achievement of the romantic repertoire, Karajan gives an eloquence and delicacy not to be found in any of the many estimable recordings presently available. Compare the Finale with Giulini, or the Adagio, and not only does the quality of sound show its superiority, but the crucial transitions from despair to ethereal contemplation to raging bombast are shaped with much greater detail. This recording is well worth a listen (or 12) and deservedly is recognized among the Grammophone classical 100 and given a rosette by the Penguin Guide.

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fred
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posted October 30, 2001 03:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fred   Click Here to Email fred     Edit/Delete Message
The 5th is my favorite. And my favorite recording of the 5th is by Stanislaw Skrowaczewski and the Saabrucken Radio Symphony Orchestra. Skrowaczewski imparts a spiritual dimension to Bruckner that I often find lacking, especially in the 5th. He takes a freer approach to tempo relationships in the first movement than I've heard with many other conductors. I love his overall approach to structure and surface details, but the most interesting aspect to me is his attention to the details of articulation, particularly in the brass parts. And the quality of sound is fabulous.

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