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Laertes
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posted April 24, 2000 10:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Laertes   Click Here to Email Laertes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As a citizen of the world, the approaching conflict between these two countries (and, yes, I do consider them two different countries) causes me great distress.

Does anyone have an opinion on this board other than "Bite me" which I heard so often on the Mother Jones boards. I'm looking for an intelligent discussion.

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opus_125
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posted April 25, 2000 10:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for opus_125   Click Here to Email opus_125     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bite me.

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KhanManka_jr
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posted April 25, 2000 11:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KhanManka_jr   Click Here to Email KhanManka_jr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How many drunk Chairman of the World's Largest Media companies does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

More than one, cause I'm sitting here in the dark.

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gingerman
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posted April 27, 2000 09:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for gingerman   Click Here to Email gingerman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This site is pretty funny and I know these are joke boards, but I think this is an extremely scary time. I mean, look at the history. Do you think China cares if we go to war? They look forward to a war with us. They don't enjoy life, they don't enjoy being told that the west is the only way to live. The Chinese will never allow our programming or movies - you see all this stuff about Hollywood getting their movies to show there - Do you think they'll honor the contracts and pay the studios what they promised. The United States knows this. China knows we won't go to war to protect Taiwan. No way in hell. China is just waiting for the right moment and then they will reclaim Taiwan and we will slap their wrists and let them having and enjoy watching the analysis on CNN.

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Laertes
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posted April 27, 2000 11:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Laertes   Click Here to Email Laertes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I couldn't agree more, gingerman. Where I live, San Diego, people just go about their lives... spending money, planning a future - when I see a very dark future with a lot of sorrow and it could be prevented if we only cared about the globe more than we care about our cars.

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Laertes
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posted April 28, 2000 10:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Laertes   Click Here to Email Laertes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
TAIPEI, April 28 (Reuters) - Taiwan President-elect Chen Shui-bian has rejected Beijing's demand that he embrace its cherished "one China" policy or face disaster, saying the island has been forced into a corner and needed room to breathe.

"Our profile has been very low to improve relations between the two sides of the Taiwan Strait," Chen told supporters at a stadium in the northern county of Hsinchu late on Thursday.

"But the opposite side of the Strait has been tough," Che said. "We have been forced into a corner and are not allowed to breathe. We will die if we don't breathe."

Chen's remarks -- some of his strongest on China since sweeping to power in elections last month -- came hours after Tang Shubei, one of Beijing's top negotiators with Taipei, turned up the heat.

Tang said disaster and confrontation were in store if Taipei rejected Beijing's "one China" policy. However, Tang appeared to leave room for compromise by saying Beijing would give Taipei equal status in any talks under the "one China" policy.

But Chen poured cold war on the "one China" ideal, saying it could be the agenda of future dialogue but not a precondition.

"If I accept, how can Ah bian be qualified to be the president of the Republic of China," said Chen, who is known to his supporters as "Ah bian." The Republic of China is Taiwan's official name.

TENSION RUNNING HIGH

Tension between Taipei and Beijing has been running high since Chen, whose Democratic Progressive Party espouses independence from China, won the elections to end more than five decades of Nationalist rule in Taiwan.

Beijing considers Taiwan a breakaway province and has threatened to invade if the island declared independence.

Chen has soft-pedalled on his pro-independence stand, but Beijing is unconvinced and has said it would watch him closely.

Taiwan is home to the remnants of the exiled Republic of China government founded by the Nationalists in 1912. The Communists routed the Nationalists in a civil war on the mainland five decades ago.

Chen accused Beijing of reneging on what he said was an agreement in 1992 under which the two sides could each have their own definition of "one China."

Beijing insists there was never any consensus on different interpretations of "one China." Beijing says there is one China in the world -- the People's Republic of China founded by the the Communists in 1949.

"This is the beginning of distrust," Chen said. "In future, how can we believe what is said when and by whom."

Nevertheless, Chen told Taiwan Cardinal Paul Shan on Friday that the democratic island sought "everlasting peace" with its giant communist neighbour.

"Seeking everlasting peace is not only our top rational goal but also the moral obligation of leaders," he said.

U.S. MILITARY TIES DEAL OFF

In Washington, Senate Republicans, concerned about further inflaming tensions between China and Taiwan, have quietly agreed to put off any action on a controversial bill to bolster U.S. military ties with Taipei, congressional staffers said.

China has warned that passage of the bill, already approved by a February vote of 341-70 in the House of Representatives, would result in "very serious damage" to Sino-American relations and the White House has threatened to veto it.

Alaska Republican Senator Frank Murkowski, who visited Taiwan last week, told Senate Republicans this week that Chen and outgoing President Lee Teng-hui had both appealed to delay a vote on the Taiwan Security Enhancement Act, which would establish direct military ties with Taipei, but antagonise Beijing.

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SuprGrrl
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posted April 30, 2000 03:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SuprGrrl   Click Here to Email SuprGrrl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What the hell is a "Citizen of the World"?

What a load of pretentious crap!

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Laertes
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posted April 30, 2000 05:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Laertes   Click Here to Email Laertes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry about the "citizen of the world" thing. I was just repeating what this orphan with leukemia told me. I'll be sure and pass along your comments to her.

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jollyjoe
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posted May 01, 2000 11:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jollyjoe   Click Here to Email jollyjoe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's May Day, Laertes. You know what that means? That's right. It's the first of May.

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Laertes
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posted May 03, 2000 09:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Laertes   Click Here to Email Laertes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If anyone cares, Israel is selling AWACS technology to China. Just thought you'd like to know that when we go to war with China, we'll be fighting against our own technology. Okay, back to your cute little lives.

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anonymous
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posted May 08, 2000 12:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymous   Click Here to Email anonymous     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
On the 1 year anniversary of the U.S. bombing of the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade, China is asking for a new investigation.

This was a disturbing quote from a university student in Beijing...

"I hope one day soon China will be strong enough to prevent this kind of insult," said a Peking University student who would only give his surname, Liu.

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dodgerfan
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posted May 08, 2000 11:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dodgerfan   Click Here to Email dodgerfan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From the Washington Times (some scary shit is going on here).

"Two years after President Clinton allowed sales of civilian nuclear technology to China, Beijing is blocking implementation of a 1985 cooperation agreement by refusing to provide assurances it won't sell U.S. know-how to other nations."

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gingerman
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posted May 09, 2000 12:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for gingerman   Click Here to Email gingerman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Following excerpt mentions "Disaster instead of Peace" if Taiwan refuses the one China policy.


BEIJING –– Chinese leaders won't negotiate on their insistence that Taiwan belongs to China, Beijing's lead negotiator with the island said Tuesday, reiterating Beijing's bottom line for restarting talks between the sides.

In the latest effort to pressure Taiwanese President-elect Chen Shui-bian before he takes office May 20, Tang Shubei said that by suggesting Beijing's 'one China' principle could be negotiated, Chen is refusing to accept that Taiwan is a part of China.

Chen's political party espouses independence for Taiwan, although he has softened his position in hopes of convincing Beijing to reopen talks it called off almost 5 years ago.

The media in Hong Kong, always sensitive to tensions between Taiwan and China, reported over the weekend that Beijing will hold large military exercises after Chen's inauguration. Tang, in a speech last month, threatened "disaster instead of peace" if Taiwan did not discuss unification.

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Catalan
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posted May 17, 2000 12:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalan   Click Here to Email Catalan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Did anybody see that story about Taiwan's defence ministry which on Wednesday dismissed an Australian newspaper report saying mainland China plans to blockade the island's key port of Kaohsiung in September.

They said that people shouldn't listen to rumours. I, for one, agree with the above posts and feel we should not only listen to every rumour, we should make sure these rumours never get a chance to come true. Scary shit on the horizon.

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austinp
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posted May 17, 2000 08:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for austinp   Click Here to Email austinp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, something is coming down soon and America won't know how to react and the American could care less - until we go to war and then everyone will say - we had no idea this was coming.

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