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RobinRafe
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posted March 11, 2004 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RobinRafe   Click Here to Email RobinRafe     Edit/Delete Message
It's time to make a more clear topic for terrorism. That World War 3 one I always forget.

Tonight's Nightline:

TONIGHT'S FOCUS: It's one of the worst terrorist attacks ever. Almost 200 people dead, almost a thousand injured in attacks on train stations in Spain. Who was responsible? And is today's attack evidence of growing cooperation between terrorist groups worldwide?

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fred
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posted March 11, 2004 01:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fred   Click Here to Email fred     Edit/Delete Message
Well, Robin, I can just go on the record here and say - I AM AGAINST TERRORISM IN ALL ITS FORMS!!!!

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jollyjoe
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posted March 11, 2004 02:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jollyjoe   Click Here to Email jollyjoe     Edit/Delete Message
Al Qaeda or ETA? Who did it?

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indiedan
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posted March 11, 2004 03:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for indiedan   Click Here to Email indiedan     Edit/Delete Message
The last line of this second paragraph is particularly sad...
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MADRID, Spain (AP) - A series of bombs hidden in backpacks exploded in quick succession Thursday, blowing apart four commuter trains and killing at least 192 people and wounding 1,200. Spain blamed Basque separatists but a shadowy group claimed responsibility in the name of al-Qaida for the worst terrorist attack in Spain's history.

Panicked commuters trampled on each other, abandoning their bags and shoes, after two of the bombs went off in one train in the Atocha station in the heart of Madrid. Train cars were turned into twisted wrecks and platforms were strewn with corpses. Cell phones rang unanswered on the bodies of the dead as frantic relatives tried to call them.

"March 11, 2004, now holds its place in the history of infamy," Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar said.

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mollyglover
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posted March 11, 2004 05:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mollyglover   Click Here to Email mollyglover     Edit/Delete Message
Al Quaida claims they are 90% of the way towards a major new terrorist act in the U.S. - why isn't our terror alert raised?

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fred
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posted March 11, 2004 09:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fred   Click Here to Email fred     Edit/Delete Message
Al Qaeda did it. It just wasn't the ETA's style. Don't believe the Spanish PM, he's just trying cover his ass. It's because of their alliance with the U.S.

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NEWSFLASH
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posted March 11, 2004 09:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NEWSFLASH   Click Here to Email NEWSFLASH     Edit/Delete Message
LONDON, England -- The deadly bombings on Madrid's rail network have drawn an outpouring of condolences from world leaders.

"These irresponsible acts, which cannot have any justification whatsoever, are to be fully condemned. ... In these appalling circumstances, I want to offer you the most sincere condolences, both in my name and in that of the French people." -- French President Jacques Chirac

"This terrible attack underlines the threat that we all continue to face from terrorism in many countries and why we all must work together internationally to safeguard our peoples against such attacks, and defeat terrorism." -- British Prime Minister Tony Blair

"These atrocities are a disgusting assault on the very principle of European democracy. ... We stand shoulder to shoulder with the Spanish people and government in their fight against this kind of terrorism." -- British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw

"With grief and outrage, I have heard of the terrible attacks in Madrid this morning. I am horrified at the high number of deaths and injured. I ask you to convey our sympathy to the victims' families and the Spanish nation. Those who were injured, I wish a speedy and complete recovery." -- German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder in a statement to Spanish President Jose Maria Aznar

"We were horrified by the news of the bomb attack in Madrid this morning. This detestable act of terror that claimed so many victims fills us with deep sorrow and outrage." -- German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer

"Terrorism has once again shown it is prepared deliberately to stop at nothing in creating human victims. ... An end must be put to this. As never before, it is vital to unite forces of the entire world community against terror." -- Russian President Vladimir Putin

The United States "vehemently condemns the outrageous and appalling terrorist attacks. ... The United States stands resolutely with Spain in the fight against terrorism in all its forms and against the particular threat that Spain faces from the evil of ETA terrorism. No political pretext can justify this premeditated murder of the innocent." -- U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell

"Once again we see senseless killing of innoncent people. The killing of innoncent people cannot be justified, regardless of the cause. I offer my deepest sympthany to King Juan Carlos of Spain, to the government and people of Spain and to the people and friends who were killed or injured. And I hope that the perpators will be brought to justice swiftly." -- U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan

"The Holy Father reiterates his firm and absolute disapproval of such actions that offend God, violate the fundamental right to life and undermine peaceful coexistence." -- Pope John Paul II in a message from the Vatican to Spanish Church authorities

"Every European, every democratic person, has to condemn these people who wanted to interfere with an electoral campaign, producing suffering for hundreds of people, leaving families broken, without any objective." -- European Union foreign policy chief Javier Solana

"This is not a political act, it is criminal act against defenseless people ... a perverse act of terrorists." -- European Commission President Romano Prodi

"It is the worst act of terror in the history of Spain. ... There shall be no safe haven for terrorism and terrorists in our European Union. ... It is an outrageous, unjustified and unjustifiable attack on the Spanish people and Spanish democracy. There is a general election due in Spain on Sunday. What happened today is a declaration of war on democracy. Let Sunday show that Spanish democracy is determined to overcome terrorism." -- European Parliament President Pat Cox

"The timing of the bombings was clearly designed to wreak the greatest level of havoc and carnage. They are an attack on the democratic process and cannot be justified by any political cause." -- Irish Prime Minister Bertie Ahern, whose country holds the rotating EU presidency

"Our solidarity with Spain remains steadfast, as is our alliance's determination to vigorously pursue our efforts to combat terrorism." -- NATO Secretary-General Jaap de Hoop

The Danish government "expressed its deepest sympathy to the victims, their families and to the people of Spain" and "condemned such acts of terror." -- Danish Foreign Minister Per Stig Moeller

The attacks are an "abominable violence that wounds every principle of civil existence. ... Madrid's tragedy reminds us of the need that ever more cohesive action by the European Union and the international community must achieve efficient and swift results in uprooting terrorism and see that the reasons of dialogue and solidarity prevail." -- Italian President Carlo Azeglio Ciampi

"There is no possible negotiation with these killers. ... Our aim is to win over terrorism. Only by being firm we can stop (terrorism). We must be firm fighting the terrorists and opposing the final aims they want to achieve." -- Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar

"We don't have ETA claiming these attacks but (they) bear its signatures... ETA is aiming at disrupting democracy in Spain. Terrorism is always aiming at undermining our principles and values and our ability to live peacefully in democracy." -- Spanish Foreign Minister Ana Palacio

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jollyjoe
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posted March 11, 2004 11:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jollyjoe   Click Here to Email jollyjoe     Edit/Delete Message
What?

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NEWSFLASH
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posted March 12, 2004 09:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NEWSFLASH   Click Here to Email NEWSFLASH     Edit/Delete Message
We, here at Newsflash, consider this relevant to the terrorism discussion... attacks on free speech.
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George Carlin Responds to Indecency Uproar


By ANTHONY BREZNICAN, AP Entertainment Writer

LOS ANGELES - George Carlin (news) famously dissected "The Seven Words You Can't Say on Television" as a way to explore what everyone was so uptight about.

Thirty-two years later the same debate is still raging, now fueled by Janet Jackson (news)'s Super Bowl flash, the suspension of Howard Stern's raunchy radio show from six stations and new House legislation that would raise a performer's indecency fine from $11,000 to $500,000.


So what does the 66-year-old Carlin think of the current handwringing over what is indecent, profane, obscene, immoral, lewd or insulting?


"More of the same, more of the same. What are we, surprised?" Carlin told The Associated Press on Friday


He blamed it on religious moralism, media commercialism and election-year politics.


"The whole problem with this idea of obscenity and indecency, and all of these things bad language and whatever it's all caused by one basic thing, and that is: religious superstition. ... There's an idea that the human body is somehow evil and bad and there are parts of it that are especially evil and bad, and we should be ashamed. Fear, guilt and shame are built into the attitude toward sex and the body. ... It's reflected in these prohibitions and these taboos that we have."


Mix that with TV or radio, and you've got a problem, he said.


"What I always remind people is, radio and television and as it happens newspapers and magazines too, are advertising media. ... When you have commercialism involved you have the kind of fear that advertisers are very afraid of offending some potential customer. They don't want to lose a sale. So they have this need to inspect and clean up and watch the content in order not to hurt their own sales. It's based on success at the cash register.


"And yet, they're very inconsistent_ on that Super Bowl broadcast of Janet Jackson's there was also a commercial about a 4-hour erection. A lot of people were saying about Janet Jackson, 'How do I explain to my kids? We're a little family, we watched it together ...' And, well, what did you say about the other thing? These are convenient targets."


He also thinks President Bush (news - web sites) is trying to placate right-wing voters.


The U.S. Air Force veteran compared the recent tension with memories of his military experience.


"These bursts of interest and decency are just like when you're in the Air Force, Army and Marines, whatever the discipline in your unit may get a little lax, people live with it, it's fine for months at a time then some colonel notices it and suddenly they crack down ... enforcing all the minor rules and regulations. Then what happens after these bursts of bothering people, that wears off and we get back to normal, relaxed discipline, but things still get done.


"Society can be counted on to let this fade."

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NEWSFLASH
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ASHDOD, Israel - Two Palestinian suicide bombers blew themselves up in this closely guarded Israeli seaport Sunday, killing nine Israelis and wounding 18, police said.

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indiedan
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posted March 14, 2004 01:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for indiedan   Click Here to Email indiedan     Edit/Delete Message
Looks like Bush's decision to go to war has brought down the Spanish government. Socialists win!
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Spain's Socialists Appear Poised to Win
(AP) - The ruling Popular Party looked headed for defeat in Sunday's general elections overshadowed by the Madrid terror bombings, with the opposition Socialists poised to score spectacular gains, according to partial results. Many voters said they were furious with the government for backing the U.S.-led war in Iraq and making Spain a target for al-Qaida, which claimed responsibility for the bombings. Turnout was high at 76 percent.

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posted March 14, 2004 01:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for a   Click Here to Email a     Edit/Delete Message
The nation of Spain has reason to be proud this day...the intelligent people of Spain have shown how reasonable people desire not to have more of these two bit dictators like our grteat, incompetent, president Bush...the great American CHIMP! The world is sick of our George Bush intimidating the world of nations, creating & provoking terrorist responses, exploiting sovereign nations, dropping 2000 pound bombs on innocent women and children. Also, let it be known that this Bush creature is also causing great damage to our United States also, as well as the world....in November, intelligent American people will vote his sorry ass out of office...thank GOD!!

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fred
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posted March 14, 2004 02:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fred   Click Here to Email fred     Edit/Delete Message
Tony B is now even more nervous.

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TypewriterMonkey
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posted March 14, 2004 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TypewriterMonkey   Click Here to Email TypewriterMonkey     Edit/Delete Message
And as horrific as the bombing in Spain was, you've gotta give Al Qaeda credit where credit is due.

These guys are no dummies. Impeccable planning for maximum social and political effect. They basically just installed a government of their wanting in Spain, while getting another sucker punch to the gut on the Bush Administration.

For a completely decentralized organization, anyone taking these guys on is stepping into some pretty deep and dark waters.

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jollyjoe
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posted March 14, 2004 03:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jollyjoe   Click Here to Email jollyjoe     Edit/Delete Message
Shows how little I know. I already thought Spain was ruled by socialists.

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