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indiedan
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posted June 07, 2001 09:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for indiedan   Click Here to Email indiedan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The internet belongs to Microsft.
http://public.wsj.com/sn/y/SB991862595554629527.html

"The feature, which hasn't yet been made public, allows Microsoft's Internet Explorer Web browser -- included in Windows XP -- to turn any word on any Web site into a link to Microsoft's own Web sites and services, or to any other sites Microsoft favors."

When Xbox in 2 to 3 years have taken the majority share of the game console market, with Internet connectivity, Microsoft will add their protocols on the desktops and set-tops.

The Internet belongs to Microsoft.

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fred
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posted June 08, 2001 09:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fred   Click Here to Email fred     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Damn right. I've been saying that for years. And it's not just because I work there.

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fred
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posted June 10, 2001 08:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fred   Click Here to Email fred     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anybody happen to see the latest TV commercials for MSN which state that MSN has the world's #1 Messenger service? Nice spin, eh? Who wouldn't want to join the world's #1 service?

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jpgordo
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posted June 12, 2001 05:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jpgordo   Click Here to Email jpgordo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AOL-Microsoft War Is Just Beginning
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Consumers should expect a big battle between the Net titans over new platforms such as media players and IM services, research firm Gartner says.
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Despite reports that contract negotiations between Microsoft and AOL Time Warner are now inching along, consumers should prepare themselves for a major war between the two Internet heavyweights as they wrestle to control new platforms such as media players and instant messaging services, according to research company Gartner.
Haggling between the companies over the inclusion of AOL's installation icon in Microsoft's upcoming Windows XP operating system is just the start of friction between the unlikely bedfellows, said Gartner Internet strategies analyst David Smith in a recent report, as their battle to dominate new technologies may lead them into more complex deals, touch-and-go negotiations and even courtrooms.
The two companies have been in heated talks over the extension of a deal that gives AOL placement on the Windows operating system desktop in exchange for AOL's exclusive use of Microsoft's Internet Explorer browser over AOL's own Netscape browser. Although these should have been relatively simple negotiations, said Smith, the talks almost came to a screeching halt June 4 as the companies reportedly sparred over Microsoft's plans to integrate its new Windows Messenger service into Windows XP, to the exclusion of AOL's dominant AOL Instant Messenger.

The negotiations even took a swipe at innocent bystander RealNetworks when rumors that Microsoft was giving AOL the hard sell to adopt its Windows Media Player in place of RealNetworks' RealPlayer sent RealNetworks' stock tumbling 20 percent May 29.

But all this excitement is nothing compared with the coming battles between the Internet titans, Gartner analysts said. The October release of Windows XP, coupled with Microsoft's HailStorm initiative, will place the software company in the pay-as-you-go Internet territory that AOL clearly wants to tread, according to Gartner. This will leave the companies fighting for future customers as they move to stake claim to dominant positions in the nascent IM and media player markets.

Microsoft's HailStorm services, which are due to be included in Windows XP, establish, according to Microsoft, a secure online identity for consumers which supports for-pay Web services, according to Gartner. Analysts have predicted that HailStorm would reduce demand for competing products from companies such as AOL, RealNetworks and Yahoo.

On the IM front, Microsoft's new Messenger reaches beyond traditional text-based messaging to incorporate voice, video and user-shared applications.

Gartner analysts believe that Microsoft's new and improved IM service is aimed at forcing AOL's hand so that the ISP opens up its IM service to interoperability, which so far it has been reluctant to do. This would benefit users, the analysts said, but would take a bite out of AOL's marketshare.

Responding to speculation over the companies' sticky relationship, an AOL spokesman said Tuesday that "AOL and Microsoft are both partners and competitors, and nothing in the talks [will] change that."

No one from Microsoft was available to comment Tuesday morning.

However, as negotiations between the Internet aficionados shake out, consumers can hope that the fierce competition will at least spur more options and cheaper services.

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fred
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posted June 13, 2001 12:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fred   Click Here to Email fred     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The war is just beginning and I am in the trenches everyday to bring that heartless, cold, calculating horrible conglomerate AOL Time Warner to its knees. We at Microsoft are just a simple mom and pop trying to make our rent every month. Have pity on us, AOL!

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fred
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posted June 17, 2001 01:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fred   Click Here to Email fred     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Proud to be a member of the Microsfot army.

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fred
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posted June 21, 2001 03:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fred   Click Here to Email fred     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Goddamned right, baby! This story proves that (to use a horribly dated term) - AOL will soon be Microsoft's bitch!
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Internet service MSN is on a mission to lure away users from AOL Time Warner Inc.'s <AOL.N> AOL service, a move the head of MSN said will not be affected much by whether the two rivals head back to the negotiating table or not.

Talks between the two rivals broke down over the weekend. The negotiations were over a variety of issues including renewal of a deal that would put AOL software on Microsoft's Windows XP, the upcoming version of the software giant's personal computer operating system.

"I don't see a big change (to our strategy) whether AOL is in or not in," MSN vice president Yusuf Mehdi told Reuters in an interview. "This year I want to be able to crack the crisp articulation of why you should switch to MSN. My dilemma is that I have this wealth of riches of reasons for why (users should switch from AOL), but no silver bullet."

He added that while there was not one key differentiator, there were several smaller ones, including Microsoft's focus on technology and software and its ability to integrate that into the service.

There has been no indication that the talks will start up again. The failure to reach a deal means AOL loses a distribution system, which helped it become an industry leader with 29 million subscribers over the last five years while MSN lagged behind with 5 million subscribers.

No deal also means Microsoft will not be able to easily convert that large base into users of its instant messaging and digital media technologies.

SAME VISION, DIFFERENT APPROACHES

"Overall, we share the same vision," Mehdi said of AOL. "But we differ radically in our approach. We are a software-technology focused business, trying to make the Web better for people through richer e-mail, search, and other features. They are more and more a media conglomerate."

MSN has been in talks with personal computer makers and retail partners to increase distribution of the service. It has also been talking to content players, many of whom are not part of the stable of artists and publications under AOL Time Warner's umbrella, to offer a better service and increase the traffic and promotion of the content company's Web properties.

Mehdi said MSN is building a platform, which also differentiates itself from AOL, with Microsoft's .Net strategy and Windows operating system.

"A year from now we want companies writing special services that work on top of MSN," Mehdi said. "We will interoperate with anyone and make instant messaging a .Net service so any content company that wants to send messages to our users can do so without any permission. For example, FedEx can send an IM user a message once a package is delivered."

Instant messaging is a popular service which many see as a growth engine for the future. MSN has been working with a group called IMUnified to allow users of different instant messaging services to swap messages with each other.

The group has yet to implement its interoperability protocol that would enable this, but Mehdi said it already works on a technical basis and the hold-up has been business issues. AOL's popular instant messaging services, ICQ and AIM, are not interoperable and the company has said it has to address privacy and security issues first.

Increased penetration of high-speed Internet access, which will improve services like richer advertising with more data, digital delivery of music, and interactive television, will also help differentiate MSN.

"As broadband comes on, the software bet we are making is really going to have us differentiate radically," Mehdi said. "This fall we will have a nationwide broadband service through DSL (digital subscriber lines)."

In the next six months, Mehdi said MSN would put its toe in the water with enhanced subscriber services, such as music downloads and music subscription services.

"The music service depends on when we sign deals with some of the labels and I think we can do that. The problem is if you find it economically interesting," Mehdi said, adding that MSN is still investigating the idea.

The recent decision by AOL to raise the price of its flagship service to $23.90 from $21.95 gave MSN an opportunity to woo subscribers.

MSN responded with a $50 million campaign that included a promotion that let users lock in a rate of $21.95 until Jan. 1, 2003. It has doubled sign-ups from direct channels such as Web sites and call centers since the promotion, which should boost its subscriber numbers, Mehdi said.

Since most U.S. Internet service providers are faced with about 3 percent of its subscribers leaving a month through "churn," market shares can shift rather quickly, Mehdi said.

ALLIANCES AND ACQUISITIONS

While MSN had looked at acquisitions in the U.S. access market, Mehdi said it has decided growing organically has been working well.

Internationally, MSN, which has a presence in 33 countries, said it wants to solidify its position where it is No. 1 or No. 2 and roll out premium services through alliances with ISPs and wireless carriers rather than mergers and acquisitions.

"What we put on the table is that we are willing to co-brand and give up parts of the network. For example, for DSL carriers we are willing to say if telephony is important to you maybe you can take that piece (of the business)," Mehdi said. "We are more willing to carve out and customize our offer to get a partnership and that has had a lot of impact."

While he said the Brazilian market is ruled by the local players right now, Mehdi said investors should look for MSN to make some efforts in the U.S. Hispanic market soon.

Earlier Thursday, the MSN and its joint venture partner Telmex <TMX.N> said they were buying struggling Spanish-language Internet portal Yupi.com in hopes of helping MSN compete better with AOL in the fast-growing Hispanic Internet market.

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fred
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posted June 24, 2001 06:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fred   Click Here to Email fred     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What? Didn't everyone want to respond to the novel that I posted? Geez. Short and sweet. Microsoft will rule the planet! And Fred has options!

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posted June 26, 2001 09:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for email   Click Here to Email email     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think consumers are willing to go up to $25 bucks a month. If it's $21.95 or $23.90 it doesn't really matter. Only the $30 a month charge would scare people. If it's in the $20s, it's not really going to matter. The problem MSN has is that people feel they are missing something if they're not on AOL simply because it's so huge and AOL is successfully marketing to average people and not tech people.

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fred
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posted June 26, 2001 09:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fred   Click Here to Email fred     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
$19.95 was such a great number for so long and then AOL busted it open with the $21.95. There will be no stopping any other provider (MSN included - which I get for free - suckers) from going all the way to $29.95... and then AOL will one day go to $31.95.

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fred
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posted June 28, 2001 09:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fred   Click Here to Email fred     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ha ha ha
http://cnnfn.cnn.com/2001/06/28/technology/microsoft_appeal/

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Imax_max
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posted June 28, 2001 11:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Imax_max   Click Here to Email Imax_max     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Now they can (finally) get back to their evil scheme to take over the world.

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posted June 28, 2001 11:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cstengel   Click Here to Email cstengel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good for them.

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fred
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posted June 28, 2001 01:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fred   Click Here to Email fred     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That was a bullshit ruling in the first place. A company should be able to become as powerful and as dominating as it can. If you are a good business you shouldn't be penalized for being successful.

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fred
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posted June 30, 2001 07:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fred   Click Here to Email fred     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good point, Fred!

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